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		<title>By: Sean Patrick @ mens designer sunglasses</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-7107</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Patrick @ mens designer sunglasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not fair that people are ganging up on President Obama when it is clear that he has been doing his best to make the country rise up from all the storms that it has faced. The least we can do is to appreciate his efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not fair that people are ganging up on President Obama when it is clear that he has been doing his best to make the country rise up from all the storms that it has faced. The least we can do is to appreciate his efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: kam</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-7010</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one thing that shocked us here,in the UK,was seeing your President heckled by a Congressman !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing that shocked us here,in the UK,was seeing your President heckled by a Congressman !<br />
.-= kam´s last blog ..<a href="http://childcare-commander69.blogspot.com/2009/09/your-7-year-old-son-wakes-up-crying-in.html"></a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6988</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Keith@Canadian Prescriptions: some great points thanks
can&#039;t argue with that 
thanks for taking the time to shed some LIGHT :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Keith@Canadian Prescriptions: some great points thanks<br />
can&#8217;t argue with that<br />
thanks for taking the time to shed some LIGHT <img src='http://potpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keith@Canadian Prescriptions</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6987</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith@Canadian Prescriptions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ll dissent. Please be gentle with your replies.

I am neither Rep or Dem (different sides of same coin if you watch the whole picture) so I have no political ax to grind here. I have no one person or party that I&#039;m trying to blame for screwing things up.

I work in healthcare. I see how broken the system is. Every day. I see my patients not able to afford their medicine. Even the ones we sell for $4. 

The problem, however, is not that we have insufficient government regulation or not enough government money. Competition (real capitalism, not this phony shit we have in the US) is what we lack. That, when it is real, lowers costs to the consumer. Health care is not the only system that is broken. What about affordable quality food, too?

I have patients who remember health care costs before Medicare. To a person, they all say that medical costs started moving upward faster AFTER Medicare was implemented. Coincidence? Government money and interference in the marketplace always drives up costs and drives down productivity and efficiency. (Just look at the cost of reefer.)

Government programs are generally created to benefit specific entities at the expense of the people. (You do know how to tell when a politician is lying, don&#039;t you?) Take, for example, the Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Program. That programs has mainly benefited two groups. 

Of course, lawyers benefit from most everything government does. But that is  not the group to whom I am referring.

 Insurance companies gained lots of new customers,  lots of new customers that they can &quot;encourage&quot; to patronize their company-owned mail-order pharmacies. So the patients can call me when they run out of their meds. Then I get to call their insurance company and get permission for them to not have to wait for the postman to get their meds. Or they go without. Also the list on non-approved drugs increases each year. Along with the laundry list of questions to receive an exemption for a drug for a patient. Less claims equals more profit.

A pet peeve: Why would you insure against a known expense like routine medications? Seems to me like that is as smart as insuring against being hungry three times a day. Many of my patients would like to drop drug coverage, but it is included in many employer-provided policies. Why? It is apparently a profit center for the insurance company.

The other main beneficiary is, of course, the actual  authors and sponsors of the bill itself, the drug manufacturers. Who wouldn&#039;t like a blank check from the government for their industry? I know from experience that people will not pay to take a $10 pill themselves. These guys would not sell nearly as many $10 pills without some kind of subsidy to their customers. There are very few ultra-expensive drugs that do not have a less expensive alternative drug.

But what about all the elderly and disabled who got help with their drug expenses? Well, a couple thousand dollars subsidy helps. At least it helps some. How many expensive drugs does it take to put someone in the doughnut hole? My experience: two. That&#039;s right. Just two. Also my experience: When they hit the coverage gap, they want to change to a less expensive drug. Their doctor will usually agree to a change in medication. What stopped them from asking for a less expensive drug to start with? If you said &quot;their drug subsidy&quot; you are starting to get it. Another correct answer would be &quot;human nature.&quot;

The new plan will work exactly like this plan does. It will work to the benefit of a few while increasing costs overall. I agree that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. But, as you can see, I respectfully disagree with the means proposed by those who seem to want to TRY to control the market. Consumers spending their own earnings, with a motive to control costs, will be infinitely more efficient IMHO. If the government must be involved in some way, give them a tax credit, dollar for dollar.

The bottom line question you should ask: Would you really want your health care managed by the likes of the USPS and the IRS? If anybody with reasoning faculties really believed they could do what they say they will do, would there ever be any debate on any of these programs?

Final thought provoking question: (I promise) When the people responsible for understanding the bill do not understand it, how can anyone possible fault someone in the public for also not understanding it?
.-= Keith@Canadian Prescriptions´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canadian-online-prescription-guide.com/boniva-price-comparison.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aug 12, Canadian Online Prescription -Boniva Price Comparison From Canadian Pharmacies&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll dissent. Please be gentle with your replies.</p>
<p>I am neither Rep or Dem (different sides of same coin if you watch the whole picture) so I have no political ax to grind here. I have no one person or party that I&#8217;m trying to blame for screwing things up.</p>
<p>I work in healthcare. I see how broken the system is. Every day. I see my patients not able to afford their medicine. Even the ones we sell for $4. </p>
<p>The problem, however, is not that we have insufficient government regulation or not enough government money. Competition (real capitalism, not this phony shit we have in the US) is what we lack. That, when it is real, lowers costs to the consumer. Health care is not the only system that is broken. What about affordable quality food, too?</p>
<p>I have patients who remember health care costs before Medicare. To a person, they all say that medical costs started moving upward faster AFTER Medicare was implemented. Coincidence? Government money and interference in the marketplace always drives up costs and drives down productivity and efficiency. (Just look at the cost of reefer.)</p>
<p>Government programs are generally created to benefit specific entities at the expense of the people. (You do know how to tell when a politician is lying, don&#8217;t you?) Take, for example, the Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Program. That programs has mainly benefited two groups. </p>
<p>Of course, lawyers benefit from most everything government does. But that is  not the group to whom I am referring.</p>
<p> Insurance companies gained lots of new customers,  lots of new customers that they can &#8220;encourage&#8221; to patronize their company-owned mail-order pharmacies. So the patients can call me when they run out of their meds. Then I get to call their insurance company and get permission for them to not have to wait for the postman to get their meds. Or they go without. Also the list on non-approved drugs increases each year. Along with the laundry list of questions to receive an exemption for a drug for a patient. Less claims equals more profit.</p>
<p>A pet peeve: Why would you insure against a known expense like routine medications? Seems to me like that is as smart as insuring against being hungry three times a day. Many of my patients would like to drop drug coverage, but it is included in many employer-provided policies. Why? It is apparently a profit center for the insurance company.</p>
<p>The other main beneficiary is, of course, the actual  authors and sponsors of the bill itself, the drug manufacturers. Who wouldn&#8217;t like a blank check from the government for their industry? I know from experience that people will not pay to take a $10 pill themselves. These guys would not sell nearly as many $10 pills without some kind of subsidy to their customers. There are very few ultra-expensive drugs that do not have a less expensive alternative drug.</p>
<p>But what about all the elderly and disabled who got help with their drug expenses? Well, a couple thousand dollars subsidy helps. At least it helps some. How many expensive drugs does it take to put someone in the doughnut hole? My experience: two. That&#8217;s right. Just two. Also my experience: When they hit the coverage gap, they want to change to a less expensive drug. Their doctor will usually agree to a change in medication. What stopped them from asking for a less expensive drug to start with? If you said &#8220;their drug subsidy&#8221; you are starting to get it. Another correct answer would be &#8220;human nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>The new plan will work exactly like this plan does. It will work to the benefit of a few while increasing costs overall. I agree that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. But, as you can see, I respectfully disagree with the means proposed by those who seem to want to TRY to control the market. Consumers spending their own earnings, with a motive to control costs, will be infinitely more efficient IMHO. If the government must be involved in some way, give them a tax credit, dollar for dollar.</p>
<p>The bottom line question you should ask: Would you really want your health care managed by the likes of the USPS and the IRS? If anybody with reasoning faculties really believed they could do what they say they will do, would there ever be any debate on any of these programs?</p>
<p>Final thought provoking question: (I promise) When the people responsible for understanding the bill do not understand it, how can anyone possible fault someone in the public for also not understanding it?<br />
.-= Keith@Canadian Prescriptions´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.canadian-online-prescription-guide.com/boniva-price-comparison.html">Aug 12, Canadian Online Prescription -Boniva Price Comparison From Canadian Pharmacies</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dj@Marketing Yoga</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6977</link>
		<dc:creator>Dj@Marketing Yoga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve seen so many misconceptions and rumors being spread about what his health bill is all about and it’s pretty sad. I keep wondering how many of those people who keep putting it down have actually read it (I have), or if they’re just re-spewing the nonsense they hear from other stupid people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve seen so many misconceptions and rumors being spread about what his health bill is all about and it’s pretty sad. I keep wondering how many of those people who keep putting it down have actually read it (I have), or if they’re just re-spewing the nonsense they hear from other stupid people.</p>
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		<title>By: Raleigh Fence Company</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>Raleigh Fence Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the same ole same politics. 90% of those people protesting against Obama&#039;s reform do not even know what the real issues are. It always surprise me when I see people on medicare opposing a public option. The whole system is broken and need major reforms. It&#039;s really sad for the country to miss this unique opportunity to get back on track. 

No country can sustain its developement when its citizen do not have proper healthcare. Sooner or later the whole system will conllapse if nothing is done about it. There are so many hypocrites in the senat.
How can senator who are given healthcare through a governement run program opposes the same privilege to be given to their constituents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the same ole same politics. 90% of those people protesting against Obama&#8217;s reform do not even know what the real issues are. It always surprise me when I see people on medicare opposing a public option. The whole system is broken and need major reforms. It&#8217;s really sad for the country to miss this unique opportunity to get back on track. </p>
<p>No country can sustain its developement when its citizen do not have proper healthcare. Sooner or later the whole system will conllapse if nothing is done about it. There are so many hypocrites in the senat.<br />
How can senator who are given healthcare through a governement run program opposes the same privilege to be given to their constituents.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam @Travel Sites</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6967</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam @Travel Sites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a small business owner, it really bites having to spend 400 a month for insurance for three people would really be a lot if I were on a fixed income. 

lol...&quot;I&#039;m skinny but I&#039;m tough&quot;..he is the man isn&#039;t he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a small business owner, it really bites having to spend 400 a month for insurance for three people would really be a lot if I were on a fixed income. </p>
<p>lol&#8230;&#8221;I&#8217;m skinny but I&#8217;m tough&#8221;..he is the man isn&#8217;t he.</p>
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		<title>By: Hotels Worldwide</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6960</link>
		<dc:creator>Hotels Worldwide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Obama is right. Health care system has lots of weak places. So strong reforms are essential. Think whatever you want, Obama is smart and he know what he is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Obama is right. Health care system has lots of weak places. So strong reforms are essential. Think whatever you want, Obama is smart and he know what he is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Raleigh Fence Company</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6952</link>
		<dc:creator>Raleigh Fence Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to say, I&#039;ve been watching the debates in Congress and I don&#039;t know if I can support any of these proposals.  

The Senate wants to kill the public option and most of the subsidies for low-to-middle income workers - and they&#039;ll simply replace these with a huge penalty for those who don&#039;t go out and buy private insurance.  In my opinion, that doesn&#039;t solve anything except the problem of bringing more customers to the insurance industry.

I would like to see, at the very least, a strong public option that can create a more competitive market.  And some serious reforms in tort law and how doctors pay for their education.  The whole incentive structure of private insurance is messed up, and we push a lot of unnecessary costs onto the doctors themselves.

Based on the current Congressional proposals, I&#039;d probably have to pay $1,000-$2,000 in fines next year - but I still wouldn&#039;t have any insurance coverage.  In short, the problem is deeply rooted corruption in both parties.  Every time they &quot;compromise,&quot; its their shared corporate contributors who win out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to say, I&#8217;ve been watching the debates in Congress and I don&#8217;t know if I can support any of these proposals.  </p>
<p>The Senate wants to kill the public option and most of the subsidies for low-to-middle income workers &#8211; and they&#8217;ll simply replace these with a huge penalty for those who don&#8217;t go out and buy private insurance.  In my opinion, that doesn&#8217;t solve anything except the problem of bringing more customers to the insurance industry.</p>
<p>I would like to see, at the very least, a strong public option that can create a more competitive market.  And some serious reforms in tort law and how doctors pay for their education.  The whole incentive structure of private insurance is messed up, and we push a lot of unnecessary costs onto the doctors themselves.</p>
<p>Based on the current Congressional proposals, I&#8217;d probably have to pay $1,000-$2,000 in fines next year &#8211; but I still wouldn&#8217;t have any insurance coverage.  In short, the problem is deeply rooted corruption in both parties.  Every time they &#8220;compromise,&#8221; its their shared corporate contributors who win out.</p>
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		<title>By: Raleigh Fence Company</title>
		<link>http://potpolitics.com/2009/09/15/health-care-reform-or-death/#comment-6951</link>
		<dc:creator>Raleigh Fence Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those people are insane. They say, &quot;Obama wants to give us affordable health care! He&#039;s a Nazi! Let&#039;s kill him!&quot; 

They are saying it&#039;s Socialism. Are they kidding? Do they even know what Socialism is? By their definition,  John McCain is the biggest Socialist on the planet: He&#039;s never had a non-government sponsored job in his life; he&#039;s on government health care; he draws Social Security; he&#039;s getting a government pension... the list goes on...

And, to top it off: he really WASN&#039;T born in the United States of America; he was born in Panama!

These dunderheads are going to ruin it for everyone because of their stupid-ass misguided idea of reality. They really are truly insane.

There is a large percentage of them that think they need to overthrow the government by force because Obama wants to give them health care! If that isn&#039;t insane, I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those people are insane. They say, &#8220;Obama wants to give us affordable health care! He&#8217;s a Nazi! Let&#8217;s kill him!&#8221; </p>
<p>They are saying it&#8217;s Socialism. Are they kidding? Do they even know what Socialism is? By their definition,  John McCain is the biggest Socialist on the planet: He&#8217;s never had a non-government sponsored job in his life; he&#8217;s on government health care; he draws Social Security; he&#8217;s getting a government pension&#8230; the list goes on&#8230;</p>
<p>And, to top it off: he really WASN&#8217;T born in the United States of America; he was born in Panama!</p>
<p>These dunderheads are going to ruin it for everyone because of their stupid-ass misguided idea of reality. They really are truly insane.</p>
<p>There is a large percentage of them that think they need to overthrow the government by force because Obama wants to give them health care! If that isn&#8217;t insane, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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